It’s quite interesting that if dinosaurs died out mya ago, that there are pictures of dinosaurs on the Ica burial stones.
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Creation, Dinosaurs, and the Bible
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June 15, 2007 at 8:18 pm
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June 15, 2007 at 10:02 pm
Not quite as surprising when you find out they are modern “relics” crafted to sell to the gullible tourists.
June 16, 2007 at 6:57 pm
Check out these links:
http://www.creationresource.org/Shopping_cart/books/Book_Pages/ica_stone.htm
http://www.creationism.org/swift/index.htm
http://www.dinosandhumans.org/
http://www.dinosandhumans.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=11&Itemid=4
http://www.omniology.com/IcaPeruDinoArt.html
http://www.omniology.com/browser2/index.htm
http://www.omniology.com/IcaPeruDinoCeramicArt.html
http://www.omniology.com/MysteriesOfPeru.html
June 17, 2007 at 3:14 am
Many lies for the cause of propping up medieval theology. You can have your god and evolution, too. Just step into the 21st century man.
June 19, 2007 at 6:23 pm
I could say that the links that you put up were lies also just trying to cover up the real fact.
I encourage you to take a look at this book.
http://www.creationresource.org/Shopping_cart/books/Book_Pages/ica_stone.htm
June 19, 2007 at 6:37 pm
It is amazing what little is required for you to throw out much of science. No dinosaur fossils are found (excepting birds) between 64 million years ago and the present. That’s is pretty convincing evidence that they were all extinct at that time. Some silly stone carvings that can easily be created in modern times will not convince me otherwise.
I won’t continue a link exchange argument with you as it is pretty pointless.
June 23, 2007 at 10:52 pm
And how are these fossils dated? Carbon 14?
Check these out:
http://www.angelfire.com/mi/dinosaurs/carbondating.html
http://archserve.id.ucsb.edu/Anth3/Courseware/Chronology/08_Radiocarbon_Dating.html
June 25, 2007 at 10:18 pm
No, that would be stupid. Carbon is completely unusable for things that old. Its half life is way too short.
Wiki Radiometric dating if you want details.
September 29, 2007 at 1:22 am
Not every animal that dies becomes a fossil.
Carcasses disappear quickly in hot climates that are rife with life.
September 29, 2007 at 12:29 pm
The farmer that created the stones was arrested for selling them to tourists as relics and confessed to making them himself.
I’m an artist, not an historian or anthropologist, but I can see that the style of drawing is a modern reinterpretation of stereotypical tribal art.
The pictures of the dinosaurs are quite cartoon-like, particlularlythe the cutsie feet on the diplodicus-style dinosaur.
I’d reccomend people actually look into evidence discovered using the scientific method rather than some stones sold by a farmer to some gullible tourists.
Perhaps he’s sharing a cell with Hovind(?)
October 12, 2007 at 5:52 pm
“The farmer that created the stones was arrested for selling them to tourists as relics and confessed to making them himself.”
The man confessed to carving some the size of grapefruit, but the video where he confessed there were police standing behind the camera (I don’t have the video myself). But there are a lot that are bigger than grapefruit.
April 7, 2008 at 11:17 pm
So some dirt farmer, carved 13,000 stones himself, something doesnt add up.
July 30, 2008 at 9:06 am
There were over 15,000 stones unearthed. Stones were unearthed at different times in different places by different people and or groups of people. The farmer who confessed was not arrested for selling false relics. He was arrested for selling authentic relics which is illegal. So he invented his story of creating the relics to avoid life in jail. Each single offense carries a lengthy jail sentence. And he did not provide all the relics. The later relics were unearthed by the son of the doctor in question. Dr. Cabrera is the son of the orignal man who first collected these stones. Dr. Cabrera continued to expand the collection. Neither the father nor the son has sought to profit from the sell of the artifacts. The stones have been found to be covered with the compound known as desert varnish. It is also found in the grooves but much thinner. This natural compound is known to take many centuries to form. Also no comic books with those drawings have been produced as of yet. Even the story about the farmer has been distorted. I have never even seen the original news article. And of course now the natives of that area are trying to cash in on the interest. Do you blame them? But I would like to see comparisions of thier work with the original finds that set off this debate. The debunkers are anxious to discredit the stones as forgeries but that fails very quickly as there have been extensive tests and as of yet no debunkers have made thier own test results available unless the wish to test some obviious newly created copies but that lacks validity. So the “debunkers”
should stick to the recent forgeries claim as the easiest to prove. But then they fall back on the claim that the natives could not of ever seen such creatures and the forgeries are based on what the modern world has to offer in images. So please show us the images that were available at the time of the first aquisition of these artifacts. The modern depictions must include dermal frills which were found to be accurate in 1992. The depictions must also show the skin texture and live postures of the animals as the Natives so accurately portrayed and Scientists have recently found to be accurate and beyond debate. Please also list the title of the comic book publication the farmer used for his inspiration. Include the date and author and publisher of the comic books please. So far the debunkers have ZERO proof. Just allegations. And why would people in these modern times waste so much engraving work on stones and then bury them and abandon them to be discovered while assuring that they can make no profit off them. Why not just make a few and put maybe two or three in one tomb to be “found” and then show the hoard they have created and present these more numerous examples for sale at enourmous sums. Just say “oh we found these first but they are for sale now”
I guess the natives are too stupid for all that. Now they content themselves with making cheap knockoff copies that any half serious student would spot as a forgery.
August 24, 2008 at 10:30 pm
Hey
Those stones are made buy some guys living in the desert close to Ica. I went there and talked to them in their little house, where they were carving the stones.
I bought a small stone of them 🙂
September 2, 2008 at 1:28 am
Evolutionists will not come to terms with that fact that the earth is not billions of years old. They will lie when proof is looking at them right in the face. Evolution is a religion and is the stupidest theory ever to be developed. Why can’t evolutionists answer the question as to how life can produce non-life. If you are an evolutionist you have to believe this. Evolution is a fairy tale for grown-ups!
September 6, 2008 at 5:45 am
thank you John Knoefler. wasn’t sure what to think at first, but the poisonous attacks on the authenticity of these things are the same condescension as when ‘enlightened’ science-minded folk denounce all religion and spirituality as delusional superstition. I’m as skeptical as the next guy, but these are hard to figure out without buying a ticket to Peru myself!
September 8, 2008 at 12:16 am
Haha! What a con!
Not bad a try but a tad too much of a modern touch to be even nearly gullible! No seriously, these are nice drawing but they obviously represent modern depicts of how we interpret dinosaures today…. quite childish depicts actually! Not to mention no actual depth or representation… just pics of men and dinos! XD
They don’t even compare to the style of art used by the Inca… LEARN about Inca art before trying to duplicate it! Looking at an inca burial stone and then trying to make one yourself is exactly the results we clearly see in those “Inca burial stones”, this has nothing to do with their actual art! ….and honestly, learn about their funeral rites before claiming they drew dinosaures on stones and dumped them with corpses! 😉
September 8, 2008 at 12:29 am
“So some dirt farmer, carved 13,000 stones himself, something doesnt add up.”
No proof there actually were 13,000 of them! 😉
Anyway, many people could of taken part in this (people are willing to do anything to “prove” their beliefs are “right”). They could of made a few hundreds, took a few pictures, claimed 13,000 (oh what a round bland number)… seriously how insanely gullible must one be to believe this big prank? 😉
“Why would authorities acuse him of selling real artifacts?”, must you believe EVERYTHING anyone tells you? This story was not even made public nor hit the world wide news = hoax detector tingling! XD Come on, this would be a MAJOR discovery, something that the news reporters would of SLAYED each other to get their hands on! This would of meant BIG money to news station, and sky rocket audience! This would of been THE NEWS the entire planet would of heard of! Seriously… use your brain a litte…
There probably were not masses of different people making them either, as they are amazingly bland, uniform, and all pretty un-original from the preceeding one. This is poor quality art… how does a person expect to capture the essence of an ancient form of art within a life time, and then recreate it to perfection… seriously these stones are very un-unique and not artistic at all! Nice shapes… period!
September 8, 2008 at 12:33 am
And how are these fossils dated? Carbon 14?
Check these out:
NO CARBON DATING!!!! Not for Dinosaure fossils NOT FOR ANYTHING beyond 16,000 years old! Scientists aren’t stupid! THEY KNOW CARBON DATING IS USELESS for dating fossils!
Radiometric dating is what is used! It is very accurate and reliable, and this is what paleontologists use! 😛
September 8, 2008 at 5:32 pm
My son drew a picture of a large lizard eating a cow yesterday! Dinosaurs must exist in modern times!
September 30, 2008 at 7:28 pm
Wow, considering the original source of Ica Stone research believed the creators of the stones came from a different star system…I wouldn’t be touting these around if I were a creationist, since God didn’t make Aliens.
http://pseudoarchaeology.org/b03-ross.html
October 16, 2008 at 8:09 am
lol obvious hoax, cant wait to see these wind up in that creationists “museum” in Kentucky.
November 12, 2008 at 11:39 pm
If hunting and killing Dinos was a big enough part of their culture and daily life to etch them on their burial stones were there any bones, skins, dino teeth ever found buried with the Incas?
November 12, 2008 at 11:44 pm
Replying to Rick’s response to his son drawing dinos, I think the obvious thing that sticks out to me, is that his son “has seen” dinos to know what they look like to draw them. He’s seen their bones, and artist’s renderings. But where did the Inca’s get their ideas? Their drawings have the right proportions and dimensions of “real dinos”. And if those dinos had been dead for millions of years, then I wonder how they knew how to draw them so accurately. Sure, they might have found bones too and reconstructed them like modern archaelogists. I’ve been surprised how advanced “primitive” societies were in the past, but I think it’s intriguing. There etchings don’t look “fanciful” or “monster like”. They look like real animals that very much resemble the real dinos that lived on the Earth.
January 7, 2009 at 1:19 am
Charles Spurgeon said the earth was millions of years old. J.Vernon McGee thought the earth might be scwillions of years old. go to blue letter bible, listen to J.Vernon audio file on either Mark or John. You will learn a lot.
January 10, 2009 at 12:14 pm
ICA…
First known drastic positions between WANTS or MUST AT ALL COSTS believe everything echoes bubble as FALSE, not even deign to at least research these stones …
Second would be a desirable sorting between FALSE plain (the same local farmers have admitted that they have created), including this:
Here we recognize certain representations copy (for the admission of the farmers, like Basilio Uchuya) from school books(the Tricaeratops, I recognized, is a copy of an old illustration of the Maltings Partnerships, found in the volume of Rupert Matthews …) and therefore lacks credibility.
In another representation falloforos many men and itifallicos delights in pornographic performances that just would make the argument Cabrera.
But in other cases, the matter will complicate, if not the absolute lack of interest in studying certain SERIOUSLY stones (such as the life cycle of Agnathus, fish settled before the advent of Man, but the “Dodo” , the “Mammuth” and many other animals died in an age “recent”, as some now considered extinct animals have been discovered and today called “living fossils”). But not speaking only of the scientific community, I am also referring to some “scientists” improvised, such as the same Cabrera themselves as “amateur archaeologist.”
Who You talk worked as archaeologist and You can ensure that the situations in the “Indiana Jones” or “Lara Croft” are far from being reality. There are no mysteries or treasures on Archeology, but only so much sweat and dust, fascinating discoveries that change never anyone’s life (if not the one who makes …), and lots of cuts in funding for research SERIOUSES.
In our case, the Stones of Ica, we face two insurmountable obstacles: lack of scientific community (which certainly did not intend to hide these stones to the world …) and a not serious archaeology who is convinced to have found a priceless treasure when you could not distinguish the TE TE A from B1 (Elladico Late A and Elladico Late B1) …
In particular, push a small “focus” on the figure of Cabrera: is it possible that the trade and the passions of this match perfectly with the themes treated on the Stones? Surgeon with an interest astronomical and paleontological … No one has ever failed the smell under the nose? I imagine that if Schumacher had been the discoverer of the Ica Stones we have found engraved racing cars, or had been the Queen of England caps …
The proof is in a picture that will be familiar to many people, representing a snake that is all around a bowl on high foot. The site from which I downloaded was mistakenly called a “spiral of DNA (?)”, Where the representation is too obvious, even ridiculous: a CADUCEO. The Caduceo is the ancient symbol that was implicitly Ermete and Asclepius (the latter the protector of medicine). From time immemorial it has become a sign of recognition of medical activities (this fact in all pharmacies in the world), and note that a doctor (even then Cabrera), should be able to recognize.
Now the conclusion: if some trace of truth in the bottom of the Stones of Ica there is not is up to us to say, we can only say that nobody has ever wanted to try at least once, to treat as a SERIOUS, and today there are flooded with False-Stones, good only increase the flow of tourists in a remote desert town of Peru, where (as if) was set up the museum and library of Cabrera, a doctor with a little too many passions, but perhaps not so with the feet on the ground …
Sincerely Yours, Archeo
March 16, 2009 at 10:27 pm
Dear creationists
the pope endorses evolution.
April 2, 2009 at 5:36 am
Of course the farmer said that he made them!
He is not stupid!
The only problem is that I don’t believe the farmer could have made that many stones.
He probably didn’t make any of them!
April 15, 2009 at 4:35 pm
If you want to hear a reader’s feedback 🙂 , I rate this post for 4/5. Detailed info, but I just have to go to that damn msn to find the missed pieces. Thank you, anyway!
May 9, 2009 at 7:59 pm
“For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.” (1Corinthians 1:18 KJV)
May 20, 2009 at 5:47 am
Yeah…Amber…thanks.
But there are just two things…
1.) I’m not Catholic.
and
2.) I have a brain that works.
Prof. Michael Behe (an agnostic) has,
through his research in micro-biology,
(which, as you can understand, Darwin had
no concept of 150 years ago) proven that
evolution could not happen on this planet, or any other planet. The principle of “Irreducible Complexity” has pretty much made Darwinistic Evolution a “sinking ship”.
You’re on the scientific version of the Titanic, Amber.
Prof. Michael Behe’s book is entitled
“Darwin’s Black Box”. Honestly, you should
get a copy, and get up to date with the CURRENT empirical science, and not 150 year old theoretical science-fiction.